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mmoyer2655
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Posted 11 years ago

Hello,

I just found the site, and so far the information has been extremely helpful. I do have a few specific situations I couldn't find answers to.

My wife and I will be traveling Apr 8-Jun 20, 2013 through 15 European cities. We arrive in Barcelona by cruise ship Arpril 20th. We're trying to find which rail pass is best vs. bus/flights vs. a combination of the two.

When I first ran the numbers on the 15/2month EuRail global flexi passes, it was obvious that it was much cheaper than point-point, but not too much more expensive than a bus pass, making it the perfect choice. However, once I discovered most of our rail trips were both overnight and international, the seat reservation prices really started adding up.

Then I found railcc, and now see there are more trains and connections than sites like raileur*pe.com show, so I'm more confused than ever.

I've put together a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akw-IbDR15Z-dFc5LXFwbXpaOWotTlpRSFhBak5CdEE) that shows all of my options (before I found railcc).

Basically it ended up totaling as follows for two people:

Unlimited Rail: [b]$3216[/b] total including reservation fees as shown on raileur*pe
15 Day Flexi: [b]$2514[/b] incl. reservation fees
10 Day Flexi/5 city Megabus: [b]$1776 [/b]incl. reservation fees
Unlimted Euroline Bus: [b]$1466 [/b]

So, I guess I'm looking for opinions on the following:

1. Are my seat reservation prices accurate in my spreadsheet? Or, are they cheaper/more expensive in person at the train station?

2. Which legs of my trip do you think I can avoid such costly fees? It seems like anything around the UK is extremely expensive. Paris to London is obvious with the eurostar, but why london to brussels, brussels to amsterdam?

3. Which option would you recommend for my itinerary? I would rather take all trains but the convenience is worth $300-500 dollars to me, not $600-1000+. So far the 10/2month+Megabus option is looking the best to me unless there are workarounds to the higher seat reservations.

4. I understand the 1900 rule. However, some legs like Barcelona to Paris only have trains departing at 1955. Does that require two days of travel on my pass, or does it count as one since it is booked as a reservation on the pass?

5. We are planning on spending 2-5 days in each city, being as flexible as possible. Is it reasonable to book these seat reservations the day of, or day before departure? Does that increase the cost?

For reference, our itinerary is more or less

Barcelona -- Paris -- London -- Edinburg -- Brussels -- Amsterdam -- Berlin -- Prague -- Vienna -- Venice -- Florence -- Rome -- Nice -- Madrid -- Lisbon (fly out of Lisbon)

Thanks for for any opinions you may have!

Mike

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Peter
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replied 11 years ago

Hi Mike.
Looks like a lot of money you will spent.
If you fix the dates a little bit, you can pre-book a lot of special prices.
I will give you now some links - maybe the websites want to forward you to other versions, but try to avoid it.
Advantage of rail travel is: no long check-in. Just go to the station and enter the train. You travel from city center to city center. Airports are outside the cities and you always need a transfer (extra money + time). And it is not very ecological!
As earlier you book the tickets, as cheaper it is. Okay, you are fixed on dates then - but maybe it is interesting to just compare it to a rail pass and other ways of travel. Prices for point to point tickets, one person, 2nd class (which is good quality in Europe).

[b]Barcelona-Paris[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/sncf[/ux]
Day train from EUR 90
French night train including one change from EUR 85
Direct night train from EUR 150

[b]Paris - London[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/beurope[/ux]
From EUR 50

[b]London - Edinburgh[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/acprail/greatbritain[/ux] or nationalrail.com
From GBP 30

[b]Edinburgh - Harwich[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/acprail/greatbritain[/ux] or nationalrail.com
From GBP 46
[b]Harwich - Hoek van Holland[/b]: stenaline.com
[b]Hoek van Holland - Brussels[/b]: from EUR 27 - nshispeed.nl
Instead of Brussels, think of Bruges. But all cities are very close there, so you can decide spontaneously.

Optional is the ferry [b]Newcastle to Amsterdam[/b]: dfdsseaways.com
Edinburgh - Newcastle form GBP 10 - [ux]https://rail.shop/acprail/greatbritain[/ux] or nationalrail.com

[b]Amsterdam - Berlin[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/bahn[/ux]
From EUR 39 for a day train
From EUR 114 for the direct night train (per person in a double bed sleeper)

[b]Berlin - Prague[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/bahn[/ux]
From EUR 29

[b]Prague - Vienna[/b]: from EUR 20 - [u]https://rail.shop/cd[/ux]

[b]Vienna - Venice[/b]:
From EUR 29 for a day connection
From EUR 99 for the direct night train (per person in a double bed sleeper)

[b]Italy[/b]: [ux]https://rail.shop/omio[/ux]
[b]Venice - Florence[/b]: from EUR 24

Rome - Nice: you can book Rome - Ventigmilla via tranitalia. And Ventigmilla - Nice via sncf.

Now on your way back, I would change the route, as you have a lot of travel.
Why don't you start in Lisbon, then by direct night train to Madrid, high-speed train to Barcelona - and from there the round trip of Europe.
Lisbon - Madrid - Barcelona - Nice - Paris - London ... fly home from Italy.

Peter :)