DanielL
Traveller
1 comments
Posted 12 years ago
Hi guys,
I'd like to let you know about a very bad incident I experienced with a french conductor during a TGV journey from Toulon to Geneve (Genf) in September 2012 .
Unluckily I was not able to get a reservation for the train connection, due to a lack of seats for Interrail pass holders. The just offered me to pay to full fare of approx. 75€, which was absolutely out of question, since I bought a 10 in 22 days interrail pass.
Thus I googled other possibilities to board the train despite this lack of interrail reservation.
Unluckily I couldn't find the abonnement forfait 2e classe-reservation anywhere, not even with the help of french speaking citizens. So I read about a maximal fee of 20€ for a lack of reservation here: [u]https://rail.cc/en/tgv-reservierung/f3949[/u] and accepted that.
After I had boarded the Train my ticket was inspected. I was sitting on 1st floor to the opposite where the baggage was stored. (I think those places cannot be reservated anyway) When I stated that I had no reservation, the conductor quickly took my 10 in 22 day and claimed it was a fake, as the dates would to been changed by me to gain personal benefit. He was talking to me in a very very rude language with a threatening voice and accused me more than two times as a liar.
I was not even given a chance to justify. He said that things were setteled and I was a liar.
He didn't care about the bottom travel report at all, where the ticket said that we had to write down every train connection with the according dates and final stop. The ticket was fully valid. There were no dates at all changed. This fact could be proofed with the travel report.
Firstly he told me that he kept my pass and charged me a 100€ fee, and I would be kicked off in Lyon. I didn't agree with that, so he said I could keep my pass by paying a fee of 200€. I had no idea what this fee was composed of, nor did the conductor want to tell me. He didn't want to tell me his name either. I said, that I would not pay 200€ to him.
He said my onliest choice then was to get off in Lyon and face the police, but then my fee would even be more: 340€!So I said that was fine with that. He quickly stated that I had five minutes to think about it.
When he returned, I wanted to speak to another conductor. He permitted me talk to another conductor, the train operator, wo could barely speak english, but accepted my interrail pass together with the carefully filled out travel report.
The conductor who previously accused me of lying was furious and then charged me fine of 100€ for the lack of reservation. I accepted this to keep the trip going, as a I wanted to proceed to Zurich and take to night-train to vienna, to stay at friend's.
I asked for a receipt and got one, with the number of that TGV-Conductor. My Interrail ticket was declared as invalid by him, the days were circled and Ticket in invalid in french written above. So obviously the person wanted to hinder me from proceeding my journed. He went off, by saying: You are a liar and that was the first time.
So what I would to to know now is:
1. Do you know any official way to complain about this conductor?
2. Sould I complain at the SNCF office or at the Interrail office?
3. Is there a valid official source, which states that the max. fee for boarding without reservation is 20€? Or is there a official source listing the penalty fees?
4. The conductor stated, that there was only the way to pay the fee in the train or face the police. In Germany there is the possibility to pay it in a few weeks after the incident by transaction. Is this possibility also available in France.
Thanks and kind regards from Germany
Daniel
nltrainer
Traveller
1404 comments
1.SNCF will only respond if it is all in French-as anyone knows.
2.there is NO Interrail office. It is a cooperation of what once were the only existing state-railways
3.no-as you were not under the conditions of that
4.this is utter nonsense-maybe it was even a false conductor (like sometimes those Romanians halt tourists,claiming to be police to check for false money-and then remove all 50s and 100s of your wallet-happens also in Berlin). But more likely-and mind you, some German conductors can also get very, very nasty if they smell Geld=money: as they get a share of the tickets they sell, this conductor saw a way to gain money out of his pesonal bankruptcy.
Your chance of complaining will only have any chance if you have his/her nr and name.
(PS- I once saw a POlish girl sitting in an empty seat in a TGV Paris-LIlle, and she was blond and young and smiled at the 2 conductors and got away for free -she also did not have any REServation with her IR)-I guess men are always in the disadvantage for this.
Peter
Traveller
9333 comments
Hi.
I answered already by mail.
But the answer for (2) is: the Eurail Group in the Netherlands.
Peter :)
DanielL
Traveller
1 comments
Hi nltrainer,
thank you for your response. I didn't get what you meant by saying 3.no-as you were not under the conditions of that. Doesn't the SNCF have a list cases assigned to predefined penalties?
Moreover I'd like to get things straight here: This was my 2nd Interrail journey through France and I've never experienced anything like that before. This incident was a rare exception, since I've always had a good experience with french conductors prior to that :) .
I've got the conductor's indentification no. on the bill, this should work, shouldn't it?
Hi Peter,
unfortunately neither my Inbox nor my Spam-folder received a Mail from you :( .
Would you mind sending it to me again?
Thank you guys and good night :)
Daniel
Peter
Traveller
9333 comments
Hi Daniel ...
Oh noooo... I replied to your mail just some minutes later after I got it... I have to check if I still have it in my folder, but I don't think so as I changed the servers for Raildue the past weekend, also with changes, updates and so on of the mail boxes: [u]https://rail.cc/blog/high-speed-for-railcc/[/u]
I recommend you to contact the Eurailgroup as they should got your fake ticket. It is really a ridiculous situation you experienced. I am really sorry for that.
Peter :)