turtle04
Traveller
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Posted 13 years ago
...or to say it in detail: Porto - Lisboa - Sevilla - Valencia - Barcelona - San Sebastian - Bordeaux - Paris - Bruxelles - Amsterdam - Straßbourg
We plan to buy the flexible ticket for 22 days (309 Euro) after having flewn from Karlsruhe to Porto. That should be a doable route for a little less than one month, shouldn't it?! We consider to plan with 50-100 euro more for reservations in high-speed-trains, because we want to enable a trip to more cities in less time. Is that a senseful calculation or will it be more expensive?
I would like some feedback and suggestions please. I am open to changing or modifing.
The trip from Lisboa to Sevilla only seems to be possible by a night train called HOT? Do you know how expensive a reservation is?
AND: Do you have some exclusive information about great places we should add to our journey?
Yours
Jannis
Flo
Traveller
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Hi Jannis!
First we have to clear what kind of pass you intend to use:
- 22 day continuous: 319€
- 10 travel days in 22 days: 249€
Having a look at your trip I count 10 travel days so you could use the cheaper option.
Supplements:
4€ IC Porto - Lisboa (8€ for the slightly faster AP)
LIsboa - Sevilla: First with the HOT :arr: [u]https://rail.cc/en/train/lisbon-to-madrid[/u] to Madrid then with AVE (10€) to Sevilla
Sevilla - Valencia: 6,50€ for the direct ARCO, 2x10€ when going with AVE trains via Madrid
Valencia - BCN: 6,50€
BCN - San Sebastian: 6,50€
San Sebastian - Bordeaux: free
Bordeaux - Paris: 6€ TGV
Paris - Bruxelles: Direct Thalys is overly expensive, ~27€ or so; you can go to Lille with a TGV and change there to free trains towards Bruxelles; or slowest alternative with free trains via Amiens and Lille
Bruxelles - Amsterdam: Avoid the Thalys and use the free Benelux IC instead
Amsterdam - Strasbourg: Best solution probably the free Benelux IC to Bruxelles and change to a free EC to Strasbourg. An alternative route could be via Maastricht - Liège - Luxembourg
So total costs for reservations: at least ~50€ depending on the connections you choose.
Alternative route Lisboa - Sevilla: [u]https://rail.cc/en/portugal-spain-algarve-train-bus/f1435[/u] There are really nice places at the Algarve, especially the area around Lagos is easily reachable by train. Your schedule is rather packed already, but here are some tips:
- Coimbra, Tomar, Douro valley in Portugal
- Caceres in Spain (due to the schedules rather complicated to fit in between Lisboa and Sevilla)
- Dune de Pyla close to Bordeaux
- Gent, Brugge and Antwerpen in Belgium (Bruxelles is rather dull IMO...)
Flo 8)
turtle04
Traveller
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Wow, that was fast. Thank you for your help, especially your recommendations for Belgium and France.
BUT: Are you sure that the tour is possible wit the 10in22-ticket? We need two days only for the HOT from Lisboa to Sevilla and have many more ways to go. I doubt that it works, but you seem to be the expert. ;D
Flo
Traveller
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Hi,
no problem. ;) For Lisboa - Sevilla with Madrid you need only one travel day as you can use the 1900 rule for night trains: [u]https://rail.cc/en/interrail-night-train[/u]
For the route you listed you will need 10 travel days (Porto to Strasbourg). If you want to include more stations in your trip you should go with the 22 continuous ticket, but for the current route you will be fine with the 10in22. :)
Flo 8)
turtle04
Traveller
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As far as I remember, the train from Lisboa to Sevilla only goes one time per day. It leaves at about 22.30 and is to slow to arrive before 4 am...am I wrong?
Flo
Traveller
10724 comments
Hi!
Lisboa - Sevilla:
Option 1)
Lisboa Santa Apolonia 2230 - 0903 Madrid Chamartin with night train :arr: [u]https://rail.cc/en/train/lisbon-to-madrid[/u]
Madrid Chamartin to Madrid Atocha with Cercanias suburban train, included in InterRail
Madrid Atocha 1000 - 1230 Sevilla Santa Justa with AVE high speed train, 10€ reservation
Option 2)
Lisboa Santa Apolonia 2230 - 0505 Caceres with night train :arr: [u]https://rail.cc/en/train/lisbon-to-madrid[/u]
Caceres 0644 - 0750 Merida :arr: MD train 4€ reservation
Merida 0800 - 1208 Sevilla Santa Justa :arr: MD train 4€ reservation
:!: On Sat and Sun Caceres - Merida - Sevilla is ~2h later
Option 3)
Lisboa Oriente 0842 - 1142 Faro :arr: AP train, 8€ reservation
a)
Faro 1225 - 1339 Vila Real de Santo Antonio
Vila Real to Ayamonte with ferry (not included in InterRail)
Ayamonte 1530 - 1830 Sevilla with bus (not included in InterRail)
b) Faro 1355 - 1745 Sevilla with bus (not included in InterRail)
:arr: [u]https://rail.cc/en/portugal-spain-algarve-train-bus/f1435[/u]
All three options do only require [b]one[/b] travel day! Read the topic about the 1900 rule for night trains I mentioned above. ;)
Flo 8)
turtle04
Traveller
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Alright, thanks mate, you helped me a lot. Nevertheless, there are two more questions:
- We want to start our tour on the 1st of June. When we should buy our ticket?
- Is it necessary to care about the reservations a long time before the journey or can we do that more or less flexible during our tour?
Flo
Traveller
10724 comments
Hi!
- If you want to support our work here at the forum and website, please buy your ticket at [ux]https://rail.shop/interrail[/ux] - thank you. :) Free standard shipping takes about 7 business days, so I'd recommend to order about two weeks in advance.
- It is always difficult to say when you have to buy reservations. In general my advice is to get those reservations which are important (because there is only one connection per day/you have to be at a certain place at a certain time/you have to go home that day/...) as soon as you know you are going to travel on that day.
Often there are several connections per day so in case a train is fully booked you can take one train later or earlier. In most cases there are also alternative connections available for which you dont need a reservation.
Flo 8)